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From: Amie
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:48 AM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com
Subject: help...:)
My mother and I have been trying to find the recipe for Albertson's pizzawiches.
It was years ago when we still had an albertson's here in Omaha.
It was basically a Italian runza. They were so good and we still talk about them today.
Any help would be fantastic. I have tried to find it, but to no avail.
Thank you.
Amie and Susan
Hello Amie and Susan,
Sorry, I cannot find any mention at all of Albertson’s pizzawiches. So, no "real" recipes and no copycats.
Finding something similar is problematic without a more detailed description. From your description,
they sound like a savory filled bread pastry. Runzas are bread filled with meat, onion, and cabbage or
sauerkraut.
That doesn’t sound much like a “pizzawich”. There is a kind of Italian filled bread with a filling that
might be described as pizza-like.
It’s called a “calzone.” Could those pizzawiches from Albertson’s be calzones under a different name?
“Strombolis” might also be described as a “pizzawich”, but they are a larger filled bread that is sliced
into sections before serving.
Calzone recipes:
Kraft
Pillsbury
YouTube
Runza recipes:
The PPK
Firedog Lake
This Food Thing
Recipe-Idea
There are lots of “pizzawich” recipes, but they are not like runzas.
Delia Anytime
Better Recipes
Taste of Home
Spark People
Food.com
Cooks.com
Family Cookbook
Big Oven
Phaed
-----Original Message-----
From: Diane
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:44 PM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com
Subject: Recipe needed please
I am searching for the recipe for "Honey Bread" made by the B'Altman's
Department Store Bakery. The bakery's were associated with the department
stores restaurants which were called Charleston Gardens. The two stores
that I know carried the Honey Bread were the main store in New York City on
Fifth Ave and the corner of 34th, and the store in Short Hills Mall, New
Jersey. Time frame 1970's. I have searched the internet using google,
kept watch on ebay for anything that popped up with the words B'Altman in
the description, and even went to the building where B'Altman's was in New
York City to see if they had any "archive" from the store. Best sweet bread
ever. Thank you.
Diane
Hello Diana,
Sorry, I had no success with this. There are a couple of other requests for
this on Internet message boards, and they have likewise had no success.
Those two requests are the only mentions that I found of this bread.
I will post this request on my site - perhaps a reader can help. Maybe an
ex-employee of B. Altman's Bakery will see it.
Phaed
Subject: B. Altman's Honey Bread
From: John
Date: 11/22/2018, 5:42 PM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com
On 11/22/2018 1:28 PM, john wrote:
Just found your website - I hope you are still out there.
Following your directions, I"ll send a 2nd request for th e2nd recipe i've been
looking for for years
I am looking for the recipe for the "Honey Loaf" from the B.altman's bakery in NYC.
this was an amazing treat from the childhood when my parents made a trip from NJ to
NYC for some sort of event.
The loaf was like a shorter yet bigger loaf of very thick, yeasty bread with only
5 pull-apart slices.
the honey coated the cinnamon enriched bread with both liquid and crystalize honey
on the surface.
it was the best.
I hope you find it.
John
Hello John,
I wish that I had good news for you, but I'm afraid that I don't. I had no success.
While searching, I found a half dozen requests for the same thing on other sites,
and no one has had any success. I had a previous request in 2012.
See: http://www.hungrybrowser.com/phaedrus/m0406F12.htm#2
I've had no responses from readers in the six years since I received that request.
B. Altman's recipes are very difficult to find, and apparently no one has been
successful in making a copycat for the honey bread.
Phaed
From: Diane
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:59 PM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com
Subject: United Airlines Recipe
Back in the 70’s United Airlines served a wonder dish – Corned Beef and Peppered Cabbage.
Would someone still have this recipe?
Thank you,
Diane
Hello Diane,
Sorry, I could not find any mention of this. I’ll post it on the site.
There are other corned beef with peppered cabbage recipe. See the one below and these:
Baked Corned Beef
Peppered Cabbage
Slow-Cooker Corned Beef and Peppered Cabbage
Phaed
Corned Beef Recipe With Peppered Cabbage
Looking for a new recipe for corned beef and cabbage? Your family will love this one!
1- 3 to 4 lb beef brisket
3/4 c sugar
1/2 tsp ginger
1/2 tsp cloves
1/2 tsp dry mustard
1 tbsp honey
1 med head white cabbage, grated
1/4 c butter
2 tbsp sour cream
Dash salt
1 tsp freshly ground pepper
Boil beef in water to cover to 2 to 3 hours or until tender. Remove from water; trim off excess fat.
Place in roasting pan.
Make a paste of sugar, ginger, cloves, mustard, and honey; spread over beef.
Bake in preheated 325 degree oven for 25 to 30 minutes.
Saute cabbage in butter for 2 to 3 minutes or until crisp-tender, stirring constantly.
Stir in sour cream; season with salt and pepper.
Serve with corned beef. Yield: 6 servings.
From: Maria
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:37 PM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com
Subject: Apple pie with a clear apple glaze filling on the inside
I'm 78 years old. I was born and raised in Los Angeles. Mom and I would take the streetcar to downtown LA.
Our treat was going into Woolsworth's down stairs where they have the lunch counter. I remember the Apple Pie
as if it were yesterday and have never since found or tasted an apple pie like theirs. The sauce around the
apples was kind of clear. You could see specks of cinnamon or other spices in the sauce. But the flavor was
solid wonderful apple flavor. I moved back East in 1962. There was a Woolsworth dime store right across from
Andrews Air Force base. Their apple pie was not the same by a long shot.
PLEASE, PLEASE, would you try to find this wonderful recipe. Many thanks..............M
Maria
Hi Maria,
I wish that I could help, but I had no success. This recipe appears to be lost, as many of the Woolworth’s
lunch counter recipes are lost.
It would be exceedingly rare to find such a recipe from a particular Woolworth's store such as Los Angeles.
Sorry. There is a photo of that apple pie from a vintage Woolworth’s sign here:
Woolworth's Apple Pie a la Mode
Phaed
From: Maria
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:27 AM
To: Phaedrus
Subject: Re: Apple pie with a clear apple glaze filling on the inside
Thank you so much for responding. Is there any chance you could try to figure out what that wonderful sauce is?
It reminds me of Karo syrup in texture, but with a wonderful apple flavor. Please check with some of your friends.
I've tried a dozen times to replicate it but can't come up with the combination. This would be a real keeper if
it can be restored.
I was born and raised in California. Unfortunately there is no one left I can contact.
Many thanks for trying. Is there any kind of F. W. Woolsworth archive center? What about family?
Maria
Hello Maria,
I am afraid that all of the possible leads have been exhausted. I’m not a chef – I could not duplicate the sauce,
even if I recalled it. I do remember having it, but I'm afraid that I was a bit too young at the time to remember
much about it. None of my friends has any Woolworth’s recipes that are not already on my site. I’ve been doing
this site since 1999,and Woolworth’s recipes were one of the first requests that I have received, so I have been
looking for them for 13 years. I have advertised for ex-employees of Woolworth’s to contact me, with no success.
There must have been a Woolworth’s Lunch Counter recipe manual, but I cannot find anything about it.
For the Woolworths's information that I have and links to the recipes that I have, see here for my Woolworth’s page:
Woolworth's
As for the Woolworth family, after Charles Sumner “Sum” Woolworth passed on in 1947, the Woolworth family itself
had little or no active role in the company. There are two Woolworth’s Museums, but neither has any archive of
the lunch counter recipes. Besides, you said the apple pie at the Andrews Air Force Base Woolworth’s was different
from the apple pie at the Los Angeles Woolworth’s and the Los Angeles pie is the one you want. If so, the only way
you could get that particular recipe would be from former employees of that specific Los Angeles Woolworth’s.
Phaed
Back in the 1950’s and 60’s my aunt worked for the local Woolworth’s kitchen.
I think that is where she learned to make her apple pie.
Timm in Oregon
Apple Pie
Instructions:
For the Crust:
1-1/2 cups all purpose flour
1-1/2 cups cake pastry flour
1 tablespoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon plain salt
3/4 cup ice cold butter
1/4 cup ice cold lard
1 large egg yolk
7 tablespoons ice water
1 teaspoon vinegar
For the Filling:
8 cups cooking apples, peeled and sliced
1/3 cup dark Karo
3 tablespoons butter, melted
3 tablespoons white sugar
1-1/2 tablespoons corn starch
1 teaspoon cinnamon
1/4 teaspoon plain salt
Instructions:
For the Crust: In a big bowl combine the flours, sugar and salt. With 2 forks cut in the very cold butter
and lard until the consistency of tiny peas.
In a small bowl whisk together the egg yolk, vinegar and water; stir into the flour mixture until moistened
and dough holds together.
Gather the dough into a large ball and then divide into two smaller balls and flatten until about 1 inch
thick. Cover each disk of dough with plastic wrap and place in the refrigerator for 1 hour.
Take one disk of dough and roll out for fit a deep dish pie plate. Arrange the apples on the crust in the dish.
For the Filling: Combine the Karo, butter, sugar, cinnamon and salt in a small bowl; pour over the apples.
Roll out the second disk of dough and place on top of the pie and fold edges under, seal and flute the edges.
Cut a few slits in the top crust to vent.
Place a shallow pan under the pie to catch any drips and bake in a preheated 375F degree oven for 45 to
55 minutes, until crust is browned and apples are tender.
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Hello again!
The question of the pie glaze may be solved by looking into thickening agents. I'm not a chef either, but I
have noticed that apple pies don't tend to vary much from recipe to recipe. The trick may have been that the
Woolworth's pie used tapioca starch, or corn starch, or an industrial food item like Clear Jel (which is a
modified cornstarch). That would account for the difference in texture, since most home recipes use flour as
a thickener and that would make a less clear glaze. If Maria didn't mind doing a little experimenting, then
this article may be of use to explain the various options for starches:
http://www.amazingribs.com/recipes/my_ingredients/zen_of_pie_thickeners.html
Have a good weekend!
-Tori
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From: DeLeisa
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 10:43 PM
To: phaedrus@hungrybrowser.com
Subject: Apple Pie Recipe
I was browsing the internet to see if I could find a value for a glass pie baker that I want to sell.
I happened upon your site about lost recipes, including Woolworth's recipes. You indicated that you did not
have the Woolworth apple pie recipe.
The pie baker that I have gives the recipe for an Apple Pie, and the back of the baker has the following print:
"Dishwasher Microwave
Oven Detergent Safe
Distributed by
F.W. Woolworth Company
New York, N.Y. 10279
Made in Korea"
I have no idea if the recipe is the "Woolworth Apple Pie Recipe" but I will share it with you...
Apple Pie
Divide Pastry for a 2 crust pie in half. Line pan with 1 half, save 2nd half for top, refrigerate both.
Slice 4 C. apples, mix with 1 C. sugar, 1/2 tsp. salt, 1/2 tsp. cinnamon, grated rind of 1/2 lemon,
1 TBSP. lemon juice.
Arrange slices inside chilled shell, 1/2" from edge, working toward center till shell is covered.
Pile remaining slices on top. Dot with butter, cover with top crust slashed in several places.
Seal edges & crimp. Bake in preheated 450 degree oven for 10 minutes. Reduce heat to 350 degrees,
bake for 30 minutes.
Perhaps this is the recipe you've been looking for. Would you be interested in buying the pie baker?
If this is indeed the recipe you are seeking, the baker would be a nice piece of memorabilia to own.
Thank you for your time! Have a great day!
DeLeisa
Hello DeLeisa,
Thanks for the recipe. I don’t think that this is the recipe for the apple pie served at Woolworth’s
lunch counters, but I will post it. I’m not interested in owning it myself, but someone might see the
post on my site and ask about it. If so, I’ll steer them your way.
Phaed
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